by Rob Kirby
Family background and first steps toward becoming a mathematician
Benedict (Dick) Hyman Gross is a distinguished number theorist, best known for the Gross–Zagier theorem on the \( L \)-functions of elliptic curves. His many honors include a MacArthur Fellowship (1986); the Cole Prize in Algebra (1987); election to the American Academy of Arts and Science (1992); and election to the National Academy of Sciences in 2004. Dick spent most of his mathematical life as a professor at Harvard (1985–2015), and, after his retirement, has subsequently taught at the University of California, San Diego.
Dick’s four grandparents all came to the US as teenagers, fugitives from the anti-Semitism of Old Europe. His paternal grandparents (Austrian) ran an independent business selling steamship tickets to immigrants bringing their families from Europe. They had 11 children — each child required to learn a different European language so they could sell tickets effectively in Polish, Russian, Hungarian, etc. His maternal grandparents emigrated from Poland. His grandfather, Samuel Stavisky, went into the garment business, making liners for jackets.
Dick’s father, Joel, was born on a farm in Jersey City, New Jersey. His older brothers, who had become lawyers, had skipped college and law school and had just read for the bar. But Joel was admitted to and attended Columbia College and then Columbia Law School, eventually joining his brothers’ law firm before setting out on his own. One of six children, Dick’s mother, Terry, was born in New York City and went to Hunter College. She became a substitute teacher after raising her children.
Dick was born in South Orange, New Jersey on June 22, 1950, the day his sister Ruth graduated from high school and his brother Av graduated from junior high. One disadvantage of coming late in his parents’ life was that during this last pregnancy, his mother was prescribed the drug Diethylstilbestrol (DES) to prevent miscarriage. Twenty years later, the FDA advised doctors to stop prescribing DES, because by then it was known that the children of mothers who had taken this drug in early pregnancy were more likely to develop problems in their reproductive systems. Dick developed testicular cancer when he was in college, and received radiation therapy to prevent recurrence. Over his lifetime he had five major abdominal surgeries to deal with issues caused by this radiation.
When Dick was five the family moved to Santa Monica, California, for a brief period where he was enrolled in a school that lacked a kindergarten and combined children of the first and second grades into a single class. The family returned to New Jersey not long after, at which point Dick resumed school at the second-grade level. From then on Dick was younger than his classmates. Even so, by his tenth grade year, Dick had exhausted the offerings at West Orange High School so he transferred to the Pingry School, a private school about ten miles from home.
Dick enrolled at Harvard in the fall of 1967, expecting to be a math major. He tried to take the honors freshman course Math 55, which was taught that year by Loomis and Sternberg out of their book. His roommate loved the text, where he said that the only numbers in it were subscripts. But Dick found the course way above his level.
I didn’t know the theory of finite dimensional vector spaces and the book started with topological vector spaces! So I dropped the course, took multivariable calculus, and decided to become a physics major. In my sophomore year I was looking for an extra course and wandered into a room where Andrew Gleason was teaching Math 55. His style of lecturing was just entrancing and I enrolled in his course. Many times in my research career when I understood something fundamental, like exterior powers as functors on the category of finite dimensional vector spaces, I realized that it was something Andy was trying to teach us in Math 55.
In college I took real analysis and complex analysis and algebra, but I never understood how they were linked together, what the subject was really about. When I graduated in 1971 I was still very confused. So I decided to take some time off to travel and get my head screwed around right. Fortunately I won a Sheldon Traveling Fellowship from Harvard. This gave me $3500, and the only stipulation of the award was that you couldn’t stay in one place too long. I thought I would have the chance to travel in Europe in the future, so I went to Africa and Asia, focusing on music. I took Emil Artin’s Geometric Algebra to read on the trip. It was an inspired choice — what an elegant treatment of the classical groups!
Dick subsequently won a Marshall Fellowship to study at Oxford University (1972–74), where he initially departed from his mathematical focus: I started reading history and sociology, but it was a complete disaster. I had no talent in the subject at all. So I switched to an MSc in mathematics. Fortunately, Michael Atiyah had just returned from the Institute for Advanced Study and gave a course on Hilbert modular forms. I had tried to read Serre’s Course in Arithmetic and found the last chapter on modular forms impenetrable. Atiyah started with that chapter in his breezy way and everything was beautiful. So I decided to learn more about it. I found one other person at Oxford, who was interested in number theory at the time. That was Andrew Wiles, who was finishing up as an undergraduate. We somehow got a copy of John Tate’s lecture notes on elliptic curves. We tried to read our way through these notes and got stuck pretty quickly, but we had a lot of fun talking about it. When we finished our degrees Andrew went off to Cambridge and I went off to Harvard, hoping to work with John Tate.
When I got there Tate already had five PhD students. He gave me his great paper on \( p \)-divisible groups, asking if I could generalize his Hodge decomposition for the \( p \)-adic étale cohomology of an abelian variety to the higher cohomology of an arbitrary variety. I was initially excited to have been given a problem, but came back a month later and said, “Isn’t this the central unsolved problem in the whole subject? Why do you think I can do it?” And Tate replied, “Well, if you can’t do that, find another problem on your own.”
So I started looking around. David Rohrlich and Neil Koblitz had arrived as assistant professors, and I started talking to them. We wrote some papers together, trying to generalize Barry Mazur’s great paper on the Eisenstein ideal, and I built up a little confidence. Serre was visiting Harvard and giving a course on analytic number theory. He showed me a nice example of an algebraic Hecke character of \( \mathbb Q(\sqrt{-7}) \). I found a generalization to imaginary quadratic fields of prime discriminant and a connection with elliptic curves with complex multiplication, and that became my thesis. Once I started working on it, Tate was very helpful. He could take a half-baked idea and turn it into something beautiful. I remain in awe of the clear way he thought about mathematics. He was also my model for thesis advising. When I came back to Harvard as a professor I had wonderful students. I just felt that the best thing I could do is get out of their way, to talk to them and try to understand what they were doing.
From early career decisions to the present
Rob: I’d like to pick up where we left off in the first part of this project, where we learned about your early life and your family. Let’s talk about the early years of your career — about the decision-making that got your career started.
Dick: The first part got me through graduate school, and everything after that was downhill.
I finished at 28 because I started at 24 after taking time off. My 30th birthday was a time of great concern because I felt that I hadn’t done anything. I wasn’t married, I didn’t have kids, I hadn’t accomplished anything in math, etc., etc. But two years later I was married, 3 years later I had kids and 5 years later I was at Harvard, so it all worked out.1 I was married in 1982, to Jill Mesirov, whom I met at a party at the Langlands’s house. We had both been in Princeton for 4 years, both in math, both interested in disco dancing, and we had never bumped into each other. She had a job in Princeton at IDA. At the time of the party, I was consulting for a movie (It’s My Turn) with Jill Clayburgh who plays a math professor (and gives a talk in which the “Snake Lemma” appears). I had sent Jill C. into New York to talk to Linda Keen and Linda Ness and Dusa McDuff to get an idea of what it was like to be a woman in math. Jill C. said it was too depressing talking to those women and it’s not who I want to be (in the movie).
But Jill M. had read about the making of the movie and she was royally pissed off because here was this actress playing a mathematician and being coached by a man. So I was at the Langlands’s, in the kitchen getting a beer, and here was this young woman. I said: “Hi, I’m Dick Gross”, and she immediately says: “You’re the jerk who’s working on that movie.” I don’t even know this woman’s name yet and she’s giving me a hard time!
I didn’t get tenure at Princeton, but then I got an offer from Brown University and Jill was willing to leave IDA and became Associate Executive Director at the AMS. We stayed at Brown for three years and then I got the offer from Harvard and Jill moved to the Thinking Machines company, which went belly up after 10 years. Jill was recruited by Eric Lander to work on the genome project. Jill has had a tremendous scientific career; she has tons more citations than J. P. Serre has. If you work in computational biology, a lot of people read your papers.
But as I said, after I got out of grad school I went to Princeton. It was great. I got to speak to the greats at IAS; André Weil was holding forth; I’d go for walks with him near IAS and not say a word, just listen, listen, listen. And Langlands was there and of course I was interested in his work. Princeton offered to extend my position but it wasn’t going anywhere so I decided to take the tenure offer at Brown.
And when I went to Brown, it was just magical. When I went to Brown the department had Bob MacPherson, Bill Fulton, Joe Harris, Jean-Luc Brylinski, and the department was small enough that we were all talking to one another, pollinating each other, and then we all left. I was the first, and then Bob went to MIT and Bill went to Chicago and so on. But Bob said we’ll all have to admit that we did our best work at Brown. It was really an amazing department for a couple of years.
Rob: Why did it fall apart?
Dick: Why? The first person to leave was me. After three years there I had done my work with Zagier, I was getting offers from everywhere. Chern tried to recruit me to Berkeley, and then I got an offer from MIT and then IHES and Harvard. I didn’t know what to do, so Bill said let’s go in and see the Provost and see if he can counter all these offers. We went in and the Provost said: “Are you the young man with an offer from Harvard? Well, congratulations. My very best wishes.” Bill almost killed him on the spot. There was no one in the administration that appreciated what they had in the math department at that time. All they wanted us to do was teach calculus. And we wanted some money for visitors, we wanted to run a department like Harvard or Berkeley or MIT. And two years after I left, Fulton and MacPherson and Harris and Brylinski all left, and so it all went away.
Rob: So Chern tried to recruit you to Berkeley? It must have rained all the time?
Dick: I didn’t meet Chern in Berkeley, but at the Arbeitstagung in
Bonn. In the most Chern-ish way, he said: “Young man, let’s go out to
lunch, I need to talk to you.” He said Berkeley was going to try to
create a number theory group and I could have a number of
appointments, and the whole apparatus. I said that I appreciate that
but if I go to Harvard, Tate and Mazur are there and
Stark
at MIT and
I already have the group right there. And Tate was my advisor and it
was sort of like being “called”. Of course as soon as I went to
Harvard, Tate went to Texas! But I think it was the right decision. I
had wonderful colleagues and I could work with
Mike Hopkins
and
Curt McMullen
as well as number theorists. So I’m glad I made that move,
but it was hard leaving Brown because Brown had been so good to me and
it was a great place to meet with the people who didn’t do number
theory.
McMullen and I became great friends. We had a lot of common interests, like skiing. We used to drive up to his Mom’s house in Vermont and go skiing at Stowe. And the whole time we’d be talking about math; he wanted to know as much as possible about number theory, and I thought, you’re coming to Harvard, you have to know number theory. So he, and Joe Harris whom I met as a freshman in college, became my best friends at Harvard.
Rob: Curt stores a bicycle in my back yard for when he visits.
Dick: I think one reason he visits is that no one cares if he wears shorts in Berkeley. At Harvard he wears shorts in the dead of winter.
I was really blessed with great colleagues at Brown and at Harvard. And I’m sure I would have enjoyed Berkeley. But that lunch with Chern — it was like the perfect recruitment — that guy was so wonderful!
Rob: You know I got my job at Berkeley at the Arbeitstagung in 1971. On the traditional boat trip on the Rhine, I found myself standing at the railing next to Steve Smale, and somehow he discovered I’d be interested in a job at Berkeley, so he made it happen.
Dick: Those were the days, Rob, those were the days. A couple of phone calls and it was done. I’ll tell you how I got the instructorship at Princeton. I walked into Tate’s office, I had finished my thesis and I was going to ask him where I should apply for jobs. He said: “Dick, I’m so glad to see you. I just got a telephone call from Nick Katz. It seems Ken Ribet is going to leave Princeton and go out to Berkeley. They need another young number theorist. Would you go?” I said: “Do I have to apply?” He said: “No, no, no, just call Nick back. And, oh, do you want Ken’s apartment too?” I never applied for that job. And the jobs at Brown and Harvard, they just called you and made an offer. They don’t do that anymore. You can see what they go through at the University of California; it’s just painful to watch.
Rob: Things went wrong occasionally, but it was much more efficient.
Dick: You called people you trusted and you relied on their judgement. They didn’t have to put it in a letter with all kinds of bullshit. They told you what they thought.
Rob: I remember reading Raoul Bott’s letter for Thurston. He wrote: “ Bill Thurston is the next Hassler Whitney. Hire him.” Of course with the Thurstons, it’s easy.
Dick: My favorite is when Deligne moved from IHES to IAS, they asked for letters because they had to have letters, even though it’s completely ridiculous. He’s so far above everybody. I was speaking to Nick Katz and said what are you going to write? He said that he’d already written his letter. What did you say? He said that asking him his opinion of Deligne was like asking the guy who washes lettuce in a 3-star French restaurant what he thinks of the chef. That’s what he said. It’s brilliant. Who are we to even comment about such a mathematician.
But Bott had two opinions about Thurston. He felt that Bill had completely wiped out the field of foliations. But he felt that Bill’s mind was unfathomable.
Rob: Cliff Taubes sometimes uses the phrase, “He’s from a different planet,” as with Kontsevich.
Dick: He feels that way about Witten too. They’ve come down to Earth to communicate some bits of wisdom to us earthlings.
You’ve been lucky Rob, but I too have been very lucky; I went into something I love, I was able to do it with incredible students and incredible colleagues, very lucky.
I’ll send you a little thing about working with Zagier, which was the best thing I ever did. It was fortunate he was in the States. He’d gotten this job at Maryland (1982) and I describe the one week when I went down to visit him. He started as a topologist. First as a student of Atiyah, and then Hirzebruch, characteristic classes, etc., but he was never really a topologist. I met him when I was a grad student and he came to Harvard as a distinguished visiting Professor, yet I was a year older. So if you work in math, you have to get used to the fact that there are people who are a lot smarter than you are.
You know, one of the blessings of my life is that I got to understand the work of people like Serre and Deligne and Tate. I was at a level where I could appreciate what they had done. That really meant a lot to me.
Not only did I collaborate with Zagier, but I also collaborated with my students, Noam Elkies and Manjul Bhargava, and those three guys have a mind — it’s unfathomable how they do things. With Noam it was very fun; he was my doctoral student so he looked up to me as a great professor, and I’d ask him something about our joint paper and how do we know this, and he’d say, “I’ve explained this to you three times already, but since you are my distinguished professor, I must not have explained it correctly!” Whereas Zagier didn’t pay me any of that kind of respect. And Manjul is just very nice.
I was Dean at Harvard from 2004 to 2007. That was enough, Rob, that was enough, believe me!
Our move out to San Diego was really funny. After being Dean I got all these offers. They weren’t really hiring me, they wanted to hire the Dean of Harvard College. I turned them all down, but the only thing I explored was the Dean at UC San Diego. I went out and was interviewed by the Vice Chancellor. I said I can’t come unless there is a job for my wife. She (the VC) rolled her eyes and said “Another spousal appointment! Send her resume and I’ll see what I can do.”
I sent the resume; Jill was working at the Broad Institute, had been involved with the human genome project, etc. I got a call from the Vice Chancellor that evening. She said “I’ve got three positions, one in computer science, one in biology, and one in the medical school. And if you still want to come out and be Provost, that’s ok too.” They really wanted Jill, and I was going to be the spousal appointment!
I didn’t really want the Provost job, and we weren’t quite ready to move. But the head of the medical school wanted to get more into computation and kept inviting Jill out for consulting, and we finally accepted their offers. I retired from Harvard and joined the UCSD math department, taught some courses and then retired again. It was all fortuitous, for as you know Rob, it is paradise out here.